Next Live Q&A with Sue & Ann on January 23rd at 3 PM CT!
Course Available Now!
Beyond Attachment Styles:
The Science of Growing Secure Adult Relationships –
Online, self-paced asynchronous course
- Deep-dive into the various defensive activation patterns: secure relating (green zone), defensive relating (blue zone), anxious relating (red zone) and dysregulated relating (tie dye puddles).
- Learn the need to know science behind these automated relational defenses and most importantly, what to do about them. You'll deepen your secure relating capacity & learn to navigate back to the green zone to get from co-dysregulation to security!
- Designed to combine depth and practical accessibility for everyone (6 CEU's available!)
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Brewing Vitality: A Monthly Gathering
Next Session – January 16th at 3 PM Central
Not your average wellness workshop! This is a series of monthly workshops open to anyone wanting to stay awake and alive and secure inside ourselves and between us. Hosted by Dr. Ann Kelley and DeLinda Spain.
- Monthly meetings (90 minutes, virtual)
- Small group discussions fostering genuine connection
- Practical tools grounded in attachment and resilience research
- A no-pressure space to process collective challenges
Multidisciplinary Consultation Group for Helping Professionals
By signing up, you are just saying you are interested.
A unique opportunity to work with Dr. Ann Kelley directly within a small online group setting. We will discuss how attachment and neurobiology impact all of us and ways to build security in ourselves and our important relationships.
NEW Group — Meeting weekly on Tuesdays, $90/session
Note: It is not considered therapy, it is an educational discussion group with deep learning.
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Apple-Ranked Top 10 Social Science Podcast in U.S.
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What you can find here:
A podcast, a critically-acclaimed book, a fresh online course,
tons of free resources and an online community.
Why do we do this?
The science is clear and hopeful – and we believe everyone deserves access to it. Working alongside leading experts, we translate complex relational sciences and depth psychology into practical tools that help uncover your authentic self (believe us, your people will be so happy!).
Our approach helps you recognize and update unconscious patterns, creating profound changes in your mind, relationships, parenting, and professional life.
FEATURED GUESTS
Connect directly with world-renowned experts and bold new voices who challenge conventional thinking.
Below are a sample of the attachment research pioneers, relational neuroscientists, and cutting edge clinicians included in our episode library.
Now, anyone can learn directly from the smartest minds in the relational sciences at zero cost.
Dr. Dan Siegel
Dr. Arielle Schwartz
Dr. Jill Bolte-Tayl0r
Dr. Diana Fosha
Dr. Carol George
Shadeen Francis
Julian Taylor-Schore
Linda Thai
Dr. Kristen Neff
Dr. Emily Nagoski
Dr. Bonnie Badenoch
Dr. Aditi Sethi
Dr. Bruce Perry
Dr. Frank Anderson
Lori Gottlieb
Dr. David Elliott
Dr. Amish Jha
Dr. Pat Crittendon
Liz Plank
Dr. Dan Brown
Dr. Dacher Keltner
Esther Perel
Matthias Barker
Akilah Riley-Richardson
Dr. Nancy McWilliams
Dr. Steve Finn
Dr. Bruce Eckert
Dr. Steve Porges
Dr. Tina Payne-Bryson
Deb Dana
Stan Tatkin
Dr. Joseph LaDeux
Robyn Gobell
Loretta Ross
We continuously integrate new and trusted perspectives into our clinical thinking and theory as we keep honing in on what actually works to heal people.
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Stan Tatkin
Steve Finn
Alphonso Appleton
Ellyn Bader
Dan Brown
Jules Shore
Liz Plank
Bonnie Badenoch
Sarah Peyton
Aby Blakely
Deb Dana
Doug Braun-Harvey
Tina Atkins
L Brookins
Pam Greenstone
Robyn Gobbel
Linno Rhodes
The Science of Psychotherapy's Becki Mendivil
Susan Ansorge
Bob Schneider
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Secure Relating: Holding Your Own in an Insecure World
Bridging science with actionable insights for daily life & clinical practice.
Endorsed by leading attachment researchers –
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We keep the podcast cost-free to provide full access to anyone interested (we are heard in over 200 countries). We also offer a private online community we affectionately call our Neuronerds. By joining for as little as $5 per month, you get an ad-free podcast feed, access to unique connections and educational opportunities and discounts on things we produce – including fun therapy bling. Most importantly to us, you help us provide mental health access to those traditionally left behind.
Candid unscripted conversations rooted in modern attachment and the newly emerging sciences of the mind will deeply inform, entertain and even surprise you.
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Most Recent Episodes
In Each Other's Care: Building & Sustaining Healthy Relationships with Stan Tatkin – Replay – (288)
Podcast: Play in new window | Download (Duration: 54:28 — 124.6MB)
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Conflict in relationships is inevitable – find out the ins and outs of repair for healthy relationships.
We are back with relationship expert, Dr. Stan Tatkin to explore the inner workings of relationships from a biological and societal perspective, and his new book, In Each Other's Care. All humans are complicated creatures and if we spend enough time with each other, it's going to get tense. That part is OK, but what happens after arguing disconnection or tension is what really matters.
Improv: Fostering Connection in Challenging Conversations – Replay – (287)
Podcast: Play in new window | Download (Duration: 1:11:58 — 164.7MB)
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Trailblazers in Love: Understanding & Advocating for the LGBTQ+ Community with Jeff Lutes – Replay – (286)
Podcast: Play in new window | Download (Duration: 1:25:33 — 195.8MB)
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Replay from our 2024 episode – this is a special conversation between co-host Sue Marriott and special guest Jeff Lutes. Both members of the LGBTQ+ community, this discussion dives into raising families, the evolution of the community, allyship, gender, and the importance of advocacy. While there has been some progress, the LGBTQ+ community still actively faces discrimination. Whether you're a practicing therapist with clients in the community or have LGBTQ-identifying loved ones, this episode is for you. Through a personal and professional lens, this conversation offers new perspectives and shines a light on the significance of staying educated and being an active voice.
Mind, Body, Heart, Spirit: Embodying Liberation Psychology with Dr. Shena Young – Replay – (285)
Podcast: Play in new window | Download (Duration: 1:04:31 — 147.7MB)
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Replay – Join co-host Sue Marriott and Dr. Shena Young as they dive into liberation psychology and the conflict between intuition and the traditional European model of psychology. Dr. Shena highlights embodying a holistic approach to help heal traumas and deeply root us in our most authentic selves. Whether through connections with nature or the exploration of ancestral traditions, this discussion is enriched with various opportunities to reconnect and liberate our mind, body, heart, and spirit.
Family Estrangement: The Space Between Love & Self-Protection with Dafna Lender (284)
Podcast: Play in new window | Download (Duration: 55:50 — 127.8MB)
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Dr. Ann Kelley is joined LIVE from Psychotherapy Networker with Dafna Lender, to explore the complex dynamics of parent-child estrangement. Focusing on the emotional and psychological impacts of cutting off family relationships, together they highlight the cultural influences that contribute to these estrangements, the therapeutic perspectives on navigating such situations, and the importance of empathy and boundaries in managing family dynamics. This conversation is about learning to hold both empathy and boundaries – understanding why someone might step away, and how to stay grounded and compassionate in the process. It’s an honest look at the heartbreak, the healing, and the hope that can emerge when families face difficult truths. View the full episode shownotes at TherapistUncensored.com/TU284
Autism in Polyvagal Terms with Dr. Sean Inderbitzen (283)
Podcast: Play in new window | Download (Duration: 1:04:12 — 147.0MB)
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Join host Sue Marriott and guest Dr. Sean Inderbitzen – an autistic psychotherapist and advocate for neurodiversity – as he shares his powerful personal and professional journey in understanding autism. Together, they explore the evolution of autism diagnosis, the intersections between attachment and neurodivergence, and how polyvagal theory can both illuminate and complicate the autistic experience. Dr. Inderbitzen offers insights on self-diagnosis, identity formation, and what truly person-centered therapy looks like for autistic individuals. This conversation highlights the central role of trust, safety, and authentic connection in helping neurodivergent clients thrive. You can view the full shownotes at TherapistUncensored.com/TU283.
Saving Relationships in a Polarized World: Bill Doherty on Citizen Therapists & Political Healing (281)
Podcast: Play in new window | Download (Duration: 1:11:13 — 163.0MB)
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Dr. Ann Kelley sits down with Dr. Bill Doherty to explore the idea of “Citizen Therapists” and how therapists — and all of us — can help bridge divides in a polarized world. Together, they dive into discernment counseling for couples on the brink of divorce, the groundbreaking work of Braver Angels in fostering dialogue across political differences, and the skills we all need for hard but healing conversations. This conversation highlights the power of curiosity, respectful boundaries, and understanding – whether in our closest relationships or across society. View the full episode show notes at TherapistUncensored.com/TU281
Bonus – Harnessing “Genius Energy”: The Art of Wise Effort for Growth with Dr. Diana Hill (280)
Podcast: Play in new window | Download (Duration: 12:10 — 27.8MB)
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Ann Kelley and Diana Hill dive into the concept of wise effort and its impact on how we manage our energy in both personal and professional life. They explore the difference between life force energy and anxiety, the role of emotional sensitivity, and why community resilience matters. Diana shares insights on how to wisely channel your “genius energy,” break free from stuck patterns, and cultivate compassionate connections that support growth and balance. Listen to the full episode at TherapistUncensored.com/TU280
Why Diets Don't Work—and What to Do Instead with Judith Matz (277)
Podcast: Play in new window | Download (Duration: 1:14:08 — 169.7MB)
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Dr. Ann Kelley and expert Judith Matz unpack the complex relationship between dieting, emotional eating, body image, and weight stigma. Together they challenge conventional views on weight and health, emphasizing that fitness matters more than the number on the scale, and explores why most diets fail both psychologically and physiologically. They also cover the historical roots of fatphobia, the dangers of weight
bias in healthcare, and the rise of weight loss drugs like Ozempic. Judith highlights the importance of attuned eating, informed consent, and compassionate care, offering a weight-inclusive approach to healing our relationship with food and body. View full episode shownotes at TherapistUncensored.com/TU277
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Meet Your Cohosts
SUE MARRIOTT, LCSW, CGP & ANN KELLY, Ph.D.
Ann Kelley Ph.D. (she/her/hers) and Sue Marriott LCSW, CGP (he/her/hers) are experienced licensed therapists that provide candid and focused education to help you bring awareness to the unconscious patterns in your life that get in your way.
As out, gay married co-hosts they bring in humor and personal insights of the cringy struggle to try to function more securely as a couple, and in the world. They also provide state of the art education, clinical insights, summaries of complex science and their own developed reflections on how to grow through these life-long patterns.
No matter what your history or what your age, there is hope to keep developing your secure self, which helps grow closeness with those you love.
Meet Your Cohosts
SUE MARRIOTT, LCSW, CGP & ANN KELLEY, Ph.D.
Ann Kelley Ph.D. (she/her/hers) and Sue Marriott LCSW, CGP (she/her/hers) are experienced licensed therapists that provide candid and focused education to help you bring awareness to the unconscious patterns in your life that get in your way.
As married co-hosts they bring in humor and personal insights of the cringy struggle to try to function more securely as a couple, and in the world. They also provide state of the art education, clinical insights, summaries of complex science and their own developed reflections on how to grow through these life-long patterns.
No matter what your history or what your age, there is hope to keep developing your secure self, which helps grow closeness with those you love.
Deepen your relationships and demystify your own interpersonal blocks by learning how to use the sciences of the mind.
We want to help each of you become a little more secure, not as a feeling but as a neurological fact. If you are interested in learning how to outsmart your biology and transform into the most relational and confident version of you, then you are our people.
Our audience is intentionally wide- it includes everyone from seasoned therapists, students in the field, other professions that can benefit from knowing how to deeply understand people, those injured by early relationships, and those life-long learners interested in staying abreast and helping make the world a little more secure.