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Secure Relating: Holding Your Own in an Insecure World 

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Help shift our collective conversation towards secure relating rather than hopelessness and dysregulation. 

 

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So, what is Therapist Uncensored all about?

We have fun translating the complex relational sciences and psychology into understandable and practical tools that can give you the power you need to uncover your best self. (Believe us, your people will be so happy.)

We will help you understand how to recognize and then update unconscious expectations of yourself and others. Applying the science of modern attachment and relational neurobiology can have life-changing impacts on your mind, your choice of partners, your parenting, your social relationships, your work life and how you interact in the world.

Sounds too good to be true, but fortunately the science is very clear, and hopeful… and we want everyone to have access to it.

And as if that's not enough goodness, team Therapist Uncensored is working to dismantle our undeserved privilege in various ways but one is financial.  A full 50% (!) of all income from corporate sponsors and merch sales goes to non-profit organizations that provide access to mental health services for those traditionally left out of mainstream healthcare. Our Neuronerd Patrons support the production of the show so that we together can accomplish this mission and help us make it happen, and they also vote at the end of the year for the charity for the year.

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I’m not a therapist, but I love this show!

I’ve learned so much and I really appreciate how they break concepts down in a way that I can understand it without having a masters degree. I also love their chemistry as co-hosts. Love this show!

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allieboo589 - United States

I’ve learned so much and I really appreciate how they break concepts down in a way that I can understand it without having a masters degree. I also love their chemistry as co-hosts. Love this show!

Favorite Podcast!

I am a therapist and cannot express my appreciation for the education, warmth, and humanness that you bring to navigating relationships. You both are truly blessings and a big thank you for doing this podcast!

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SaraBLCSW - United States

I am a therapist and cannot express my appreciation for the education, warmth, and humanness that you bring to navigating relationships. You both are truly blessings and a big thank you for doing this podcast!

Love this podcast ❤️

Love these chats! Invaluable to understanding behaviour, learning to get curious over reactive. This stuff has become even more important to me since becoming a parent. Amazing. Thank you. 🙏🏽

petagold - Australia

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petagold - Australia

Love these chats! Invaluable to understanding behaviour, learning to get curious over reactive. This stuff has become even more important to me since becoming a parent. Amazing. Thank you. 🙏🏽

Love this podcast

My favourite podcast at the moment! Sue & Ann you’ve both empowered me so deeply through these episodes in understanding myself, my internal working model & relationship dynamics so much. Thank you!

LeelaKalyani - Australia

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LeelaKalyani - Australia

My favourite podcast at the moment! Sue & Ann you’ve both empowered me so deeply through these episodes in understanding myself, my internal working model & relationship dynamics so much. Thank you!

Even if you haven’t gone to therapy this is amazing

This podcast is helping so much. They go over topics in such a caring way that you can actually take time to self reflect and be aware of your emotions as you listen. Amazing podcast.

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fruitandcatlover - United States

This podcast is helping so much. They go over topics in such a caring way that you can actually take time to self reflect and be aware of your emotions as you listen. Amazing podcast.

So Great!

This is great - listening to three funny, intelligent women talk about things they know a great deal about is such a pleasure. They’re candour is so affirming!

CBRPony - Australia - 03/02/2022

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CBRPony - Australia - 03/02/2022

This is great - listening to three funny, intelligent women talk about things they know a great deal about is such a pleasure. They’re candour is so affirming!

Informative, insightful, caring

Sue and Ann share simple, straightforward insights, great interviews - especially loved Dr. Frank Anderson of IFS. Thank you for your genuine gifts of service to everyone.

MaggersNM - United States

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MaggersNM - United States

Sue and Ann share simple, straightforward insights, great interviews - especially loved Dr. Frank Anderson of IFS. Thank you for your genuine gifts of service to everyone.

Worth listening to!!

As a therapist, I refer clients to it all the time. Ann and Sue are super relatable, intelligent, and authentic in every episode. Anyone who geeks out over the neuro & social sciences will find this podcast binge-worthy!!

Kelley from the United States

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2021-08-24T03:12:14-05:00

Kelley from the United States

As a therapist, I refer clients to it all the time. Ann and Sue are super relatable, intelligent, and authentic in every episode. Anyone who geeks out over the neuro & social sciences will find this podcast binge-worthy!!

Great Resource for Psych Enthusiasts

Very informative while also being quite pleasant to listen to.

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S4Style - Singapore

Very informative while also being quite pleasant to listen to.

Attachment Therapist Rockstars!

In one episode of this podcast, I feel I learn more then any day of a training I’ve been too. I love the nuance, the expertise, the ability to weave this subject matter to make it useful as well as nonjudgmental, while normalizing the feelings associated.

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In one episode of this podcast, I feel I learn more then any day of a training I’ve been too. I love the nuance, the expertise, the ability to weave this subject matter to make it useful as well as nonjudgmental, while normalizing the feelings associated.

An incredible resource! 

This show is a hugely valuable resource for both therapists and individuals on a path of self-exploration. The conversations Sue and Ann facilitate are always super engaging.

Oliviabaker13 · United States of America

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2021-08-12T04:39:06-05:00

Oliviabaker13 · United States of America

This show is a hugely valuable resource for both therapists and individuals on a path of self-exploration. The conversations Sue and Ann facilitate are always super engaging.

Amazing Source!

Brings together all the insightful theories and approaches in a practical way that really relates to actual real-life processes of development, growth, and change. A nuanced and encompassing approach.

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EatingOats - The Netherlands - November 4, 2021

Brings together all the insightful theories and approaches in a practical way that really relates to actual real-life processes of development, growth, and change. A nuanced and encompassing approach.

Super interesting and helpful

I really love how Ann & Sue and their guests present these interesting topics and explain them so clearly. I often share podcast with my fellow students, teachers or even with non-psy friends, because they break the topics down so well.

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Iris_1024 from The Netherlands

I really love how Ann & Sue and their guests present these interesting topics and explain them so clearly. I often share podcast with my fellow students, teachers or even with non-psy friends, because they break the topics down so well.

You have something important to say and I'm grateful you are saying it!

I love you ladies. I get so much from each episode. I am a practicing counselor and it really helps me in my daily work and my personal life. Thank you so much for this show.

Angie Land - United States - November 3, 2021

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Angie Land - United States - November 3, 2021

I love you ladies. I get so much from each episode. I am a practicing counselor and it really helps me in my daily work and my personal life. Thank you so much for this show.

Thank you so much for this wonderful, insightful, educational and brave series. Each episode offers important information on the most important areas of psychology and nourish the curiosity of therapists and curious punters alike.

Niknakpsy - Australia

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Niknakpsy - Australia

Thank you so much for this wonderful, insightful, educational and brave series. Each episode offers important information on the most important areas of psychology and nourish the curiosity of therapists and curious punters alike.

Love this podcast!

Digestible, accessible, highly clinical, applicable, and fun! I’d recommend this to anyone in a mental health field and also to anyone wanting to improve their own mental health!

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Stofte01 - United States

Digestible, accessible, highly clinical, applicable, and fun! I’d recommend this to anyone in a mental health field and also to anyone wanting to improve their own mental health!

Fantastic

Smart, clever, interesting, and funny. I have really stuck gold listening to such deep, meaningful and relevant topics on relationships, evidenced based healing. I highly recommend this podcast on every level.

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Ediebouvier - Australia - November 2, 2021

Smart, clever, interesting, and funny. I have really stuck gold listening to such deep, meaningful and relevant topics on relationships, evidenced based healing. I highly recommend this podcast on every level.

Grateful for a phenomenal resource

I love the facts and theories presented! Its easy to absorb complex ideas from this carefully presented podcast. Prepare to be surprised and delighted by what you learn about yourself and your fellow humans!

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I love the facts and theories presented! Its easy to absorb complex ideas from this carefully presented podcast. Prepare to be surprised and delighted by what you learn about yourself and your fellow humans!

My Favorite Neurobiology/Psychology Podcast

I am constantly growing my knowledge on Adult Attachment, neurobiology, psychology, and cognitive therapy! I love being able to incorporate that learning into my life and my relationships. This podcast, and community, is a gift!

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I am constantly growing my knowledge on Adult Attachment, neurobiology, psychology, and cognitive therapy! I love being able to incorporate that learning into my life and my relationships. This podcast, and community, is a gift!

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Featured guests include the smartest minds in the relational sciences.

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Arielle Schwartz

Jill Bolte-Tayl0r

Terry Real

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Kristen Neff

Lou Cossolino

Bonnie Badenoch

Pat Crittendon

Dan Siegel

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Esther Perel

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Alan Srouf

Nancy McWilliams

Peggy Orenstein

Steve Porges

Tina Payne-Bryson

Deb Dana

Stan Tatkin

Lori Gottlieb

And many, many more deep thinkers and fabulous minds that we interview both to bring you their work, and to continuously integrate new and trusted perspectives into our own thinking and theory of what actually works to heal people.

Stan Tatkin

Steve Finn

Alphonso Appleton

Ellyn Bader

Dan Brown

Jules Shore

Liz Plank

Bonnie Badenoch

Sarah Peyton

Aby Blakely

Deb Dana

Doug Braun-Harvey

Tina Atkins

L Brookins

Pam Greenstone

Robyn Gobbel

Linno Rhodes

The Science of Psychotherapy's Becki Mendivil

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Meet Your Cohosts

SUE MARRIOTT, LCSW, CGP & ANN KELLY, Ph.D.  

Ann Kelley Ph.D. (she/her/hers) and Sue Marriott LCSW, CGP (he/her/hers) are experienced licensed therapists that provide candid and focused education to help you bring awareness to the unconscious patterns in your life that get in your way.

As out, gay married co-hosts they bring in humor and personal insights of the cringy struggle to try to function more securely as a couple, and in the world.  They also provide state of the art education, clinical insights, summaries of complex science and their own developed reflections on how to grow through these life-long patterns.

No matter what your history or what your age, there is hope to keep developing your secure self, which helps grow closeness with those you love.

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Meet Your Cohosts

SUE MARRIOTT, LCSW, CGP & ANN KELLEY, Ph.D.

Ann Kelley Ph.D. (she/her/hers) and Sue Marriott LCSW, CGP (she/her/hers) are experienced licensed therapists that provide candid and focused education to help you bring awareness to the unconscious patterns in your life that get in your way.

As married co-hosts they bring in humor and personal insights of the cringy struggle to try to function more securely as a couple, and in the world.  They also provide state of the art education, clinical insights, summaries of complex science and their own developed reflections on how to grow through these life-long patterns.

No matter what your history or what your age, there is hope to keep developing your secure self, which helps grow closeness with those you love.

ANN KELLY, Ph.D. & SUE MARRIOTT, LCSW, CGP

Deepen your relationships and demystify your own interpersonal blocks by learning how to use the sciences of the mind.

We want to help each of you become a little more secure, not as a feeling but as a neurological fact. If you are interested in learning how to outsmart your biology and transform into the most relational and confident version of you, then you are our people.

Our audience is intentionally wide- it includes everyone from seasoned therapists, students in the field, other professions that can benefit from knowing how to deeply understand people, those injured by early relationships, and those life-long learners interested in staying abreast and helping make the world a little more secure.

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