TU57: Healthy Dating for Women Who Love Women with Guest Pam Greenstone LPC

by | Mar 12, 2018 | Episodes, Guest Interviews, Personal Growth, Relationships, Sexuality & Gender

Show Notes

Dating bites (& no, that’s not necessarily a complaint :)). Learn to get out there and enjoy yourself as you peruse your choices.  This episode is for everyone – all genders and sexualities – but today we focus on same-sex oriented women in the LGBTQ community.

If you’re a queer woman who has been struggling with your dating life or if you’re still considering whether or not to come out, you’ll enjoy this discussion with co-host Sue Marriott LCSW, and Austin-base therapist Pam Greenstone. They’ ll discuss the importance of building up a multi-faceted support system, identifying red flags in a partner as well as yourself, and pacing out a relationship.

Learn to identify internalized sexual stigma and how to come to rely on others to keep you regulated in the early days of dating someone new. You’ll learn about some researched differences in dating in the heterosexual community and that in the LGBTQI community as well as gender role differences that come to play in some, but not all, same-sex relationships.

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Inclusivity of LGBTQI community and discussion

Pam’s interest in the topic, desire for healthy dating patterns in community

Cultural context of homophobia, internalized sexual stigma, difficulty of ascribing to typical gender norms

Importance of the support system

Importance of gay pride as celebration rather than merely toleration


Building up an adequate support system

Concentric circles of support: Self (middle) (Family & Friends/Layer A) (Layer B) (Layer C)

Middle Layer: Working on your own internalized sexual stigma, deciding whether or not to come out and the actual factors in that decision

Layer A: People that support you and will come get you. They know when something is off in your dating life

(Myth of) the U-Haul effect

Looking for your own red flags

The notion of a partner “being the one” vs. nurturing a pairing

Identifying red flags


Pacing in dating is vital, pushing for space to know how you feel without them

Value of group therapy while dating, ability of others to see when you’re impaired in a way from dopamine

Importance of remembering you’re flawed as well and finding a “good enough” partner

Figuring out how much to share with partner right off the bat, enjoying the infancy of a relationship and not rushing


Getting out of dating and taking the pressure off

Socialization of women to not disappoint or initiate

You don’t have to take responsibility for someone else’s emotions

Strength of gay men – capacity of direct honesty

Differences between male and female same-sex couples

If you’re dating, look at your support system, look at your own red flags as well as others, finding a pace in dating

Wrap up and outro



If the Buddha Dated: A Handbook for Finding Love on a Spiritual Path by Charlotte Kasl Pam’s recommendation for what to read next.

How to contact Pam!

Conscious Lesbian Dating and Love Ruth Schwarts and Michelle Murrain

Lesbian Sex Bible by Diana Cage (just so we are clear that women can have fun dating and not jump to relationships)

Treating Out of Control Sexual Behavior by Doug Braun-Harvey (previous Therapist Uncensored guest with GLBTQI focus, this book is NOT related to gay dating but a different topic that we are just re-introducing because of it’s pro-sex inclusive messaging, which Doug brings.)

Better yet, hear our interview Refreshing Sexual Vitality with Doug Braun-Harvey, episode 42 & 43.



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