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Secure Relating
Secure Relating: Holding Your Own in an Insecure World 

 

Bridging science with actionable insights for daily life & clinical practice.

Endorsed by leading attachment researchers –

yet fun to read!

Available now!

What is the podcast, the book and the community all about?

 

The science is clear and hopeful – and we believe everyone deserves access to it. Working alongside leading experts, we translate complex relational sciences and depth psychology into practical tools that help uncover your authentic self (believe us, your people will be so happy!).

Our approach helps you recognize and update unconscious patterns, creating profound changes in your mind, relationships, parenting, and professional life.

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Over Eleven million+ downloads (what?!)

Apple-Ranked Top 10 Social Science Podcast in U.S.

Top 50 Science Podcast in 75 countrieS

Grateful for a phenomenal resource

I love the facts and theories presented! Its easy to absorb complex ideas from this carefully presented podcast. Prepare to be surprised and delighted by what you learn about yourself and your fellow humans!

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warm/cosy sleeper - United States

I love the facts and theories presented! Its easy to absorb complex ideas from this carefully presented podcast. Prepare to be surprised and delighted by what you learn about yourself and your fellow humans!

You have something important to say and I'm grateful you are saying it!

I love you ladies. I get so much from each episode. I am a practicing counselor and it really helps me in my daily work and my personal life. Thank you so much for this show.

Angie Land - United States - November 3, 2021

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Angie Land - United States - November 3, 2021

I love you ladies. I get so much from each episode. I am a practicing counselor and it really helps me in my daily work and my personal life. Thank you so much for this show.

Amazing Source!

Brings together all the insightful theories and approaches in a practical way that really relates to actual real-life processes of development, growth, and change. A nuanced and encompassing approach.

EatingOats - The Netherlands - November 4, 2021

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EatingOats - The Netherlands - November 4, 2021

Brings together all the insightful theories and approaches in a practical way that really relates to actual real-life processes of development, growth, and change. A nuanced and encompassing approach.

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This information from your unique perspectives is a lifeline that if we all knew would shift the destructive dynamics that destroy people & families! Please keep releasing, keep sharing!!

Georgi-Ahau - New Zealand

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Georgi-Ahau - New Zealand

This information from your unique perspectives is a lifeline that if we all knew would shift the destructive dynamics that destroy people & families! Please keep releasing, keep sharing!!

Love this podcast

My favourite podcast at the moment! Sue & Ann you’ve both empowered me so deeply through these episodes in understanding myself, my internal working model & relationship dynamics so much. Thank you!

LeelaKalyani - Australia

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LeelaKalyani - Australia

My favourite podcast at the moment! Sue & Ann you’ve both empowered me so deeply through these episodes in understanding myself, my internal working model & relationship dynamics so much. Thank you!

So Great!

This is great - listening to three funny, intelligent women talk about things they know a great deal about is such a pleasure. They’re candour is so affirming!

CBRPony - Australia - 03/02/2022

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CBRPony - Australia - 03/02/2022

This is great - listening to three funny, intelligent women talk about things they know a great deal about is such a pleasure. They’re candour is so affirming!

Thank you so much for this wonderful, insightful, educational and brave series. Each episode offers important information on the most important areas of psychology and nourish the curiosity of therapists and curious punters alike.

Niknakpsy - Australia

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Niknakpsy - Australia

Thank you so much for this wonderful, insightful, educational and brave series. Each episode offers important information on the most important areas of psychology and nourish the curiosity of therapists and curious punters alike.

I’m not a therapist, but I love this show!

I’ve learned so much and I really appreciate how they break concepts down in a way that I can understand it without having a masters degree. I also love their chemistry as co-hosts. Love this show!

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allieboo589 - United States

I’ve learned so much and I really appreciate how they break concepts down in a way that I can understand it without having a masters degree. I also love their chemistry as co-hosts. Love this show!

Super interesting and helpful

I really love how Ann & Sue and their guests present these interesting topics and explain them so clearly. I often share podcast with my fellow students, teachers or even with non-psy friends, because they break the topics down so well.

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Iris_1024 from The Netherlands

I really love how Ann & Sue and their guests present these interesting topics and explain them so clearly. I often share podcast with my fellow students, teachers or even with non-psy friends, because they break the topics down so well.

My Favorite Neurobiology/Psychology Podcast

I am constantly growing my knowledge on Adult Attachment, neurobiology, psychology, and cognitive therapy! I love being able to incorporate that learning into my life and my relationships. This podcast, and community, is a gift!

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Schubesss - United States

I am constantly growing my knowledge on Adult Attachment, neurobiology, psychology, and cognitive therapy! I love being able to incorporate that learning into my life and my relationships. This podcast, and community, is a gift!

Even if you haven’t gone to therapy this is amazing

This podcast is helping so much. They go over topics in such a caring way that you can actually take time to self reflect and be aware of your emotions as you listen. Amazing podcast.

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fruitandcatlover - United States

This podcast is helping so much. They go over topics in such a caring way that you can actually take time to self reflect and be aware of your emotions as you listen. Amazing podcast.

Worth listening to!!

As a therapist, I refer clients to it all the time. Ann and Sue are super relatable, intelligent, and authentic in every episode. Anyone who geeks out over the neuro & social sciences will find this podcast binge-worthy!!

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Kelley from the United States

As a therapist, I refer clients to it all the time. Ann and Sue are super relatable, intelligent, and authentic in every episode. Anyone who geeks out over the neuro & social sciences will find this podcast binge-worthy!!

An incredible resource! 

This show is a hugely valuable resource for both therapists and individuals on a path of self-exploration. The conversations Sue and Ann facilitate are always super engaging.

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Oliviabaker13 · United States of America

This show is a hugely valuable resource for both therapists and individuals on a path of self-exploration. The conversations Sue and Ann facilitate are always super engaging.

Favorite Podcast!

I am a therapist and cannot express my appreciation for the education, warmth, and humanness that you bring to navigating relationships. You both are truly blessings and a big thank you for doing this podcast!

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SaraBLCSW - United States

I am a therapist and cannot express my appreciation for the education, warmth, and humanness that you bring to navigating relationships. You both are truly blessings and a big thank you for doing this podcast!

Informative, insightful, caring

Sue and Ann share simple, straightforward insights, great interviews - especially loved Dr. Frank Anderson of IFS. Thank you for your genuine gifts of service to everyone.

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MaggersNM - United States

Sue and Ann share simple, straightforward insights, great interviews - especially loved Dr. Frank Anderson of IFS. Thank you for your genuine gifts of service to everyone.

Great Resource for Psych Enthusiasts

Very informative while also being quite pleasant to listen to.

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S4Style - Singapore

Very informative while also being quite pleasant to listen to.

Fantastic

Smart, clever, interesting, and funny. I have really stuck gold listening to such deep, meaningful and relevant topics on relationships, evidenced based healing. I highly recommend this podcast on every level.

Ediebouvier - Australia - November 2, 2021

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Ediebouvier - Australia - November 2, 2021

Smart, clever, interesting, and funny. I have really stuck gold listening to such deep, meaningful and relevant topics on relationships, evidenced based healing. I highly recommend this podcast on every level.

Attachment Therapist Rockstars!

In one episode of this podcast, I feel I learn more then any day of a training I’ve been too. I love the nuance, the expertise, the ability to weave this subject matter to make it useful as well as nonjudgmental, while normalizing the feelings associated.

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In one episode of this podcast, I feel I learn more then any day of a training I’ve been too. I love the nuance, the expertise, the ability to weave this subject matter to make it useful as well as nonjudgmental, while normalizing the feelings associated.

Love this podcast!

Digestible, accessible, highly clinical, applicable, and fun! I’d recommend this to anyone in a mental health field and also to anyone wanting to improve their own mental health!

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Stofte01 - United States

Digestible, accessible, highly clinical, applicable, and fun! I’d recommend this to anyone in a mental health field and also to anyone wanting to improve their own mental health!

Love this podcast ❤️

Love these chats! Invaluable to understanding behaviour, learning to get curious over reactive. This stuff has become even more important to me since becoming a parent. Amazing. Thank you. 🙏🏽

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Love these chats! Invaluable to understanding behaviour, learning to get curious over reactive. This stuff has become even more important to me since becoming a parent. Amazing. Thank you. 🙏🏽
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featured Guests

We bring you world-reknown guest experts, as well as outside-the-choir voices, so you may have direct access to updated theory and fresh ideas as they come.

Featured guests include the smartest minds in the relational sciences.

Joseph LaDeux

Arielle Schwartz

Jill Bolte-Tayl0r

Terry Real

Laurel Parnell

Bruce Perry

Kristen Neff

Lou Cossolino

Bonnie Badenoch

Pat Crittendon

Dan Siegel

David Elliott

Ellyn Bader

Dan Brown

Pat Ogden

Esther Perel

Bruce Eckert

Alan Srouf

Nancy McWilliams

Peggy Orenstein

Steve Porges

Tina Payne-Bryson

Deb Dana

Stan Tatkin

Lori Gottlieb

And many, many more deep thinkers and fabulous minds that we interview both to bring you their work, and to continuously integrate new and trusted perspectives into our own thinking and theory of what actually works to heal people.

Stan Tatkin

Steve Finn

Alphonso Appleton

Ellyn Bader

Dan Brown

Jules Shore

Liz Plank

Bonnie Badenoch

Sarah Peyton

Aby Blakely

Deb Dana

Doug Braun-Harvey

Tina Atkins

L Brookins

Pam Greenstone

Robyn Gobbel

Linno Rhodes

The Science of Psychotherapy's Becki Mendivil

Susan Ansorge

Bob Schneider

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We keep the podcast cost-free to provide full access to anyone interested (we are heard in over 200 countries).  We also offer a private online community we affectionately call our Neuronerds. By joining for as little as $5 per month, you get an ad-free podcast feed, access to unique connections and educational opportunities and discounts on things we produce – including fun therapy bling. Most importantly to us, you help us provide mental health access to those traditionally left behind.  

Candid unscripted conversations rooted in modern attachment and the newly emerging sciences of the mind will deeply inform, entertain and even surprise you.

Learn how to outsmart your biology and improve your relationships with others.

The podcast is always free so that it is accessible to everyone, but if you are able to join our Premium Community, you will help us support mental health access to those traditionally left behind. You'll receive an ad-free podcast feed, discounts on educational opportunties we offer and fun therapy bling, 

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The Power of Acceptance & Commitment (ACT Therapy) with Dr. Diana Hill (252)

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Dr. Diana Hill and co-host Dr. Ann Kelley explore the power of process-based therapy to improve relationships and wellbeing. Through various methods like the 6 principles of ACT, the understanding of values, and the family body analogy, they use their personal and professional experience to discuss ways to help resolve conflict and find deeper connection through secure relating. Learn ways to tap into your most deeply connected self to move forward through life's challenges and nurture healthy relationships.

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Secure Relating & the Election: Fostering Connection in Political Division (249)

Secure Relating & the Election: Fostering Connection in Political Division (249)

The political events in the United States have been a major contributor to our anxieties these past years, and with our significant presidential election looming over us this week – Ann and Sue are here to talk about the hard things. While the world feels unpredictable on the outside, one thing we can do is focus on the intricate relationship between our nervous systems and the emotional responses triggered by political events. They discuss how fear and anxiety are often manipulated through political rhetoric, leading to division and polarization, the importance of understanding how personal relationships amidst these tensions
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Meet Your Cohosts

SUE MARRIOTT, LCSW, CGP & ANN KELLY, Ph.D.  

Ann Kelley Ph.D. (she/her/hers) and Sue Marriott LCSW, CGP (he/her/hers) are experienced licensed therapists that provide candid and focused education to help you bring awareness to the unconscious patterns in your life that get in your way.

As out, gay married co-hosts they bring in humor and personal insights of the cringy struggle to try to function more securely as a couple, and in the world.  They also provide state of the art education, clinical insights, summaries of complex science and their own developed reflections on how to grow through these life-long patterns.

No matter what your history or what your age, there is hope to keep developing your secure self, which helps grow closeness with those you love.

Meet Your Cohosts

SUE MARRIOTT, LCSW, CGP & ANN KELLEY, Ph.D.

Ann Kelley Ph.D. (she/her/hers) and Sue Marriott LCSW, CGP (she/her/hers) are experienced licensed therapists that provide candid and focused education to help you bring awareness to the unconscious patterns in your life that get in your way.

As married co-hosts they bring in humor and personal insights of the cringy struggle to try to function more securely as a couple, and in the world.  They also provide state of the art education, clinical insights, summaries of complex science and their own developed reflections on how to grow through these life-long patterns.

No matter what your history or what your age, there is hope to keep developing your secure self, which helps grow closeness with those you love.

ANN KELLY, Ph.D. & SUE MARRIOTT, LCSW, CGP

Deepen your relationships and demystify your own interpersonal blocks by learning how to use the sciences of the mind.

We want to help each of you become a little more secure, not as a feeling but as a neurological fact. If you are interested in learning how to outsmart your biology and transform into the most relational and confident version of you, then you are our people.

Our audience is intentionally wide- it includes everyone from seasoned therapists, students in the field, other professions that can benefit from knowing how to deeply understand people, those injured by early relationships, and those life-long learners interested in staying abreast and helping make the world a little more secure.

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