New Course Launching 2/28/25!
- Deep-dive into the various defensive activation patterns: secure relating (green zone), defensive relating (blue zone), anxious relating (red zone) and dysregulated relating (tie dye puddles).
- Learn the need to know science behind these automated relational defenses and most importantly, what to do about them. You'll deepen your secure relating capacity & learn to navigate back to the green zone to get from co-dysregulation to security!
- Designed to combine depth and practical accessibility for everyone, including clinicians (CEU's available!)
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Brewing Vitality - A Monthly Gathering
Let's get scrappy! We have work to do to keep us Awake, Alive and Dancing (or Kicking)
We're not talking about your garden-variety “positive vibes only” BS. Vitality is raw life force – that primal energy that gets you out of bed when everything feels impossible. It's the fire in your belly that refuses to let the bastards grind you down. It's mental clarity when the world's gone mad, emotional resilience when everything hurts, and the stubborn determination to stay connected when isolation feels safer. This is a series of monthly workshops open to anyone wanting to stay awake and alive and secure inside ourselves and between us.
What People Are Saying About Therapist Uncensored
Over Eleven million+ downloads (what?!)
Apple-Ranked Top 10 Social Science Podcast in U.S.
Top 50 Science Podcast in 75 countrieS
What you can find here:
A podcast, a critically-acclaimed book, a fresh online course,
tons of free resources and an online community.
Why do we do this?
The science is clear and hopeful – and we believe everyone deserves access to it. Working alongside leading experts, we translate complex relational sciences and depth psychology into practical tools that help uncover your authentic self (believe us, your people will be so happy!).
Our approach helps you recognize and update unconscious patterns, creating profound changes in your mind, relationships, parenting, and professional life.
Secure Relating: Holding Your Own in an Insecure World
Bridging science with actionable insights for daily life & clinical practice.
Endorsed by leading attachment researchers –
yet fun to read!
Available now!
featured Guests
We bring you world-reknown guest experts, as well as outside-the-choir voices, so you may have direct access to updated theory and fresh ideas as they come.
Featured guests include the smartest minds in the relational sciences.
Joseph LaDeux
Arielle Schwartz
Jill Bolte-Tayl0r
Terry Real
Laurel Parnell
Bruce Perry
Kristen Neff
Lou Cossolino
Bonnie Badenoch
Pat Crittendon
Dan Siegel
David Elliott
Ellyn Bader
Dan Brown
Pat Ogden
Esther Perel
Bruce Eckert
Alan Srouf
Nancy McWilliams
Peggy Orenstein
Steve Porges
Tina Payne-Bryson
Deb Dana
Stan Tatkin
Lori Gottlieb
And many, many more deep thinkers and fabulous minds that we interview both to bring you their work, and to continuously integrate new and trusted perspectives into our own thinking and theory of what actually works to heal people.
LISTEN TO THE LATEST EPISODE
Stan Tatkin
Steve Finn
Alphonso Appleton
Ellyn Bader
Dan Brown
Jules Shore
Liz Plank
Bonnie Badenoch
Sarah Peyton
Aby Blakely
Deb Dana
Doug Braun-Harvey
Tina Atkins
L Brookins
Pam Greenstone
Robyn Gobbel
Linno Rhodes
The Science of Psychotherapy's Becki Mendivil
Susan Ansorge
Bob Schneider
What do you want to learn today?
This is an excellent resource to dig up all kinds of stuff you may be interested in – be sure and check out shownotes to each episode they are loaded! Try it!
Online Premium Community
We keep the podcast cost-free to provide full access to anyone interested (we are heard in over 200 countries). We also offer a private online community we affectionately call our Neuronerds. By joining for as little as $5 per month, you get an ad-free podcast feed, access to unique connections and educational opportunities and discounts on things we produce – including fun therapy bling. Most importantly to us, you help us provide mental health access to those traditionally left behind.
Candid unscripted conversations rooted in modern attachment and the newly emerging sciences of the mind will deeply inform, entertain and even surprise you.
Learn how to outsmart your biology and improve your relationships with others.
The podcast is always free so that it is accessible to everyone, but if you are able to join our Premium Community, you will help us support mental health access to those traditionally left behind. You'll receive an ad-free podcast feed, discounts on educational opportunties we offer and fun therapy bling,
Most Recent Episodes
Bonus – Disorganized / Unresolved Attachment with Dr. Krista Jordan (258)
Podcast: Play in new window | Download (Duration: 17:07 — 39.2MB)
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This is a sneak peek of our episode with Dr. Krista Jordan – available only on our Premium Supercast and Patreon platforms. For as little as $5/month you can have access to special releases like this one, first-to-know about upcoming events and discounts and an ad-free feed.
Dr. Krista Jordan & co-host Sue Marriott LCSW CGP dive into the messy, fascinating world of the 4th attachment category – disorganized attachment. Through intimate personal stories, they describe how it shows up in therapy, relationships, and everyday life. They explore the Adult Attachment Projective (AAP) and Adult Attachment Interview (AAI), unpacking what is sometimes called disorganized, unresolved, dysregulated, dissociated attachment that can ripple through generations.Learn how dismissive strategies work so well they can stop us from growing, why feedback (and a little distress) is crucial for self-awareness, and how shame and anger are often two sides of the same coin.
The Power of Liberation: Courage, Identity & Growth with Pam Benson Owens (257)
Podcast: Play in new window | Download (Duration: 1:01:54 — 141.7MB)
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We’re kicking off February with a powerful conversation with the incredible Pam Benson Owens. Alongside co-host Sue Marriott, they explore what it means to live with purpose, navigate systemic challenges, and find liberation in everyday choices. Pam shares her wisdom on the role of self-care in activism, the courage it takes to engage in difficult conversations, and how fear shows up in DEI work. This episode dives deep into the intersection of personal and organizational growth, touching on themes of vulnerability, belonging, and the evolving landscape of diversity and identity. Sue and Pam also tackle honest conversations about race and privilege, the “messy middle” of personal transformation, and why pacing yourself is essential for long-term impact.
Rediscovering Play for More Secure Connections with Children – and Adults (256)
Podcast: Play in new window | Download (Duration: 1:11:22 — 163.4MB)
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Co-host Sue Marriott, with special guests, Tina Payne Bryson and Georgie Wisen-Vincent, discuss the powerful role of play in child development and its therapeutic benefits. Play fosters emotional resilience, strengthens parent-child attachment, and supports positive neuroplasticity. They acknowledge the resistance some parents may feel towards engaging in play, while also providing practical strategies for parents to incorporate into their daily interactions. Learn how embracing play can nurture emotional growth and empower both children and parents in meaningful ways.
Family Estrangement, Spiritual Harm & the Ethics of AI in Therapy with Matthias Barker (255)
Podcast: Play in new window | Download (Duration: 1:00:57 — 139.5MB)
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Ann and Sue, alongside psychotherapist Matthias Barker, unpack the complexities of parent-child estrangement and the often-overlooked generational gaps that shape how families navigate conflict. Matthias discusses the deep wounds that spiritual harm can leave behind, and also expands into broader themes of spirituality. With the emerging presence of AI, they open the conversation to the ethical challenges of the technology and creating meaningful change, whether in family dynamics or the future of mental health care.
2024 Reflections: Growth, Connection & Celebrating Community (254)
Podcast: Play in new window | Download (Duration: 54:38 — 125.1MB)
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As we close out another year, Ann and Sue take time to reflect on 2024 while sharing some exciting opportunities for the year ahead. The Vitality Series is an exciting new endeavor, where they emphasize creating safe spaces for dialogue, navigating tough emotions, and bringing therapeutic concepts into everyday life. With an honest look at shame, vulnerability, and the challenges of personal growth, they explore how connection can empower both individuals and communities. Along the way, they celebrate the milestones of their podcast, emphasize the importance of self-reflection,
and highlight the role of supportive networks in fostering meaningful change.
Embodied Dying: Embracing the Sacred Union Between Life & Death (253)
Podcast: Play in new window | Download (Duration: 51:23 — 117.6MB)
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Lee Warren shares her experience of living in an intentional community and how it opened the door to exploring tantra and the sacredness of death. Alongside co-host Sue Marriott, they explore tantra as a way to connect with the divine within ourselves and others, using tools like breath, sound, and movement to navigate the energy in our bodies. They also discuss death as a sacred process and the importance of preparing for it—both practically and spiritually. Learn how tantra and death preparation share a common goal: helping us embrace the impermanence of life and find joy in the present moment.
The Power of Acceptance & Commitment (ACT Therapy) with Dr. Diana Hill (252)
Podcast: Play in new window | Download (Duration: 1:01:42 — 141.2MB)
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Dr. Diana Hill and co-host Dr. Ann Kelley explore the power of process-based therapy to improve relationships and wellbeing. Through various methods like the 6 principles of ACT, the understanding of values, and the family body analogy, they use their personal and professional experience to discuss ways to help resolve conflict and find deeper connection through secure relating. Learn ways to tap into your most deeply connected self to move forward through life's challenges and nurture healthy relationships.
AEDP Therapy: Engaging with Emotions & Experiences with Dr. Diana Fosha (251)
Podcast: Play in new window | Download (Duration: 1:00:09 — 137.7MB)
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Sue Marriott and Diana Fosha explore the key principles of Accelerated Experiential Dynamic Psychotherapy (AEDP) and its transformative impact on the field. AEDP begins with the premise of “healing from the get-go,” and fostering change from the first session. It emphasizes “undoing aloneness” by building a supportive therapeutic relationship, while encouraging clients to engage deeply with emotions. Join us as we highlight techniques like metatherapeutic processing, where clients reflect on their healing experience, and integrating neuroscience into clinical practice.
Secure Relating & the Election: Fostering Connection in Political Division (249)
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The political events in the United States have been a major contributor to our anxieties these past years, and with our significant presidential election looming over us this week – Ann and Sue are here to talk about the hard things. While the world feels unpredictable on the outside, one thing we can do is focus on the intricate relationship between our nervous systems and the emotional responses triggered by political events. They discuss how fear and anxiety are often manipulated through political rhetoric, leading to division and polarization, the importance of understanding how personal relationships amidst these tensions
are emphasized, and the need for secure relating and accountability from leaders. There is power in recognizing the complexity of political opinions and the necessity of maintaining open dialogue to foster connection rather than division. Join us as we explore how to navigate differences, the importance of empathy and community, and the need for resilience during uncertain times.
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Meet Your Cohosts
SUE MARRIOTT, LCSW, CGP & ANN KELLY, Ph.D.
Ann Kelley Ph.D. (she/her/hers) and Sue Marriott LCSW, CGP (he/her/hers) are experienced licensed therapists that provide candid and focused education to help you bring awareness to the unconscious patterns in your life that get in your way.
As out, gay married co-hosts they bring in humor and personal insights of the cringy struggle to try to function more securely as a couple, and in the world. They also provide state of the art education, clinical insights, summaries of complex science and their own developed reflections on how to grow through these life-long patterns.
No matter what your history or what your age, there is hope to keep developing your secure self, which helps grow closeness with those you love.
Meet Your Cohosts
SUE MARRIOTT, LCSW, CGP & ANN KELLEY, Ph.D.
Ann Kelley Ph.D. (she/her/hers) and Sue Marriott LCSW, CGP (she/her/hers) are experienced licensed therapists that provide candid and focused education to help you bring awareness to the unconscious patterns in your life that get in your way.
As married co-hosts they bring in humor and personal insights of the cringy struggle to try to function more securely as a couple, and in the world. They also provide state of the art education, clinical insights, summaries of complex science and their own developed reflections on how to grow through these life-long patterns.
No matter what your history or what your age, there is hope to keep developing your secure self, which helps grow closeness with those you love.
Deepen your relationships and demystify your own interpersonal blocks by learning how to use the sciences of the mind.
We want to help each of you become a little more secure, not as a feeling but as a neurological fact. If you are interested in learning how to outsmart your biology and transform into the most relational and confident version of you, then you are our people.
Our audience is intentionally wide- it includes everyone from seasoned therapists, students in the field, other professions that can benefit from knowing how to deeply understand people, those injured by early relationships, and those life-long learners interested in staying abreast and helping make the world a little more secure.