TU89: Neurofluency – with Dr. Lou Cozolino, Applied Neuroscience Made Understandable

by | Jan 31, 2019 | Brain Science, Episodes, Guest Interviews, Neuroscience, Therapy, Trauma

Show Notes

This episode breaks down neurofluency – the basics of neuroscience as it relates to being human in a relational world. This skill will help you with your boss, your teacher, your student, your child, you client or your spouse.

Renowned author and therapist Lou Cozolino returns to Therapist Uncensored with co-host Sue Marriott for a breakdown of a concept he calls neurofluency. They describe what the key ingredients are for growth and why integration of different treatment forms can be crucial to healing.

This one is for true neuronerds, therapists and advanced “normals” – technical but also truly applied theory!

In this episode, TU89, we discuss:

  • The concept of neurofluency
  • Cortical integration – The importance of having a safe relationship and a capacity to regulate . You need to feel safe in order to have affect regulation, which you need to not have your cortical systems inhibited, and then you can add new information. Or when safe you can learn, when threatened you shut down any new updates to your old model, new learning, adaptation.
  • Cozolino offers his thoughts on EMDR treatment and the orienting response. This is different and interesting – check it out!
  • News:
  • We have three executive systems, not just cortical, like previously imagined. Now it’s recognized that we have the amygdal response system (most primitive, fight-or-flight), frontal parietal networks in the brain (organizes our experiences of space-time and how to navigate), and the default mode network (self awareness, empathy).
  • Learn the one most associated w/ the attachment system
  • Historical background on Freud, who may have inhibited his own interest in the brain (despite being a neuroscientist) until a publication came out after his death.
  • Therapist Uncensored has a page that says, “Neuroplasticity, Get Some.” We discuss what “neuroplasticity” is and what are the conditions that promote it?’
  • The psychology of distrusting leaders.
  • In relation to face to face therapy, touch therapy, somatic therapy, Cozolino believes that the main key is safety, in whatever capacity it comes. Learning how to think through the basic principles of plasticity to achieve change is the goal, and there’s no one right way to do that. Emotion has to be part of new learning.
  • Main points:There are no set answers and don’t believe anyone who is telling you they have them.
  • Don’t trust narcissistic leaders that insist on following their brand, or say their view is the right and only way to do treatment. That is not science, it is not integrated in history and the balance of science and practice, and we should be skeptical especially of those profiting from alleged “new ideas” in therapy. We should also be wary of those that follow such gurus.
  • The brain is a social organism so you have to have a broad view or conceptualization.
  • You have to get in touch with your own flexibility and tolerate the anxiety of your own ignorance. (We LOVE that!!!)
  • Previous and early Therapist Uncensored Episode #36, this with Patty Olwell and Lou Cozolino –


Lou Cozolino’s Biography:

Louis Cozolino, PhD, is a professor of psychology at Pepperdine University and a private practitioner. He is the author of The Healthy Aging Brain: Sustaining Attachment, Attaining Wisdom (2008), The Neuroscience of Human Relationships: Attachment and the Developing Social Brain (2014), The Neuroscience of Psychotherapy: Healing the Social Brain (2010), and Why Therapy Works: Using Our Minds to Change Our Brains (2015), Timeless: Nature’s Formula for Health and Longevity (2018). He has several books and articles in press at this publication. His new

Dr. Cozolino has diverse clinical and research interests and hold degrees in philosophy, theology, and clinical psychology. His current interests are in the areas of the synthesis of neuroscience with psychotherapy, education, management, and leadership. In addition to multiple books, he is also the author of research articles and book chapters on child abuse, schizophrenia, language and cognition. Dr. Cozolino lectures around the world on brain development, evolution, and psychotherapy and maintains clinical and consulting practices in Los Angeles and New York.


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