What Tiny Humans Can Teach Us About Adult Relating, with Neonatal Therapist Sue Ludwig (197)

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As a certified Neonatal Therapist, Sue Ludwig has dedicated her life to not only the physical development but the emotional development of her patients. Ludwig brings intentionality to each moment by strategically working to regulate patients' nervous systems during their time in the NICU. Her process focuses on the interconnection of the mind and body and aims to support the child's development in vulnerable situations. She explains the importance of proper technique to avoid disrupting the nervous system and the long-term effects on neurodevelopment. Through her personal and professional journeys, Sue Ludwig has learned the value of being present in small moments to build deeper connections and experience lasting results.

“Humans are different in that we're meant to co-regulate, we are meant to be with a parent or adult. The way that we show up as parents and how calm we are – the better the babies are able to absorb our presence.”

Time Stamps for “What Tiny Humans Can Teach Us About Adult Relating, with Sue Ludwig (197)”

1:11 – What do we mean by energy

6:05 – The power of bringing intention to energy

10:36 – Regulating babies' nervous systems

14:09 – Properly performing the “hand hug” when holding small babies

17:58 – A proper “hand hug” for a more developed baby

20:50 – Importance of connection between the child and parent

21:38 – The “hand hug” technique for a full-term baby

27:54 – Co-regulation from the parent's perspective

30:52 – Sue's personal introduction to intentionality

42:31 – Embracing that development is never-ending

Resources for 

Sue Ludwig's Website

National Association of Neonatal Therapists (NANT)

American Occupational Therapy Association (AOTA)

National Coalition for Infant Health (NCFIH) 

Hope for HIE – Website

 

About our expert guest, Sue Ludwig

Sue Ludwig is passionate about improving the quality of life for infants who begin their journey in the NICU, and the professionals who serve them. She is a sought-after speaker, consultant, and writer. A licensed occupational therapist and certified neonatal therapist, she is president and founder of the National Association of Neonatal Therapists (NANT), where she uses a blend of clinical expertise, innovation, and leadership to support the advancement of this specialized field on a global level. Sue is the media expert in neonatal therapy for the American Occupational Therapy Association, a member of the steering committee for the National Coalition for Infant Health, and a medical advisory board member for Hope for HIE. She has received the Laura Edmunds Lectureship Award from UMass Memorial Medical Center, the Individual Contribution to Maternal and Child Health Award from the National Perinatal Association, and the Alumni Professional Achievement Award from Eastern Kentucky University. She has also been named a Graham’s Foundation Resilience HonoreeSue’s book Tiny Humans, Big Lessons was published in March of 2022. Today, Sue lives in Cincinnati, Ohio, with her husband and a few dogs, and has two grown children.

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